What's the Universe Say About That?
What’s the Universe Say About That? is no ordinary “woo woo” podcast or self-help series. In each episode, hosts Mike and Mary share an extraordinary message channeled live, directly from Divine Guidance, in response to real, everyday questions and struggles we all face. No hype, no preaching, just relaxed, honest conversations and powerful spiritual connections to help you find more peace, purpose, and joy in your life.
Each episode begins with a single, meaningful topic. Mike poses the questions so many of us quietly carry, and Mary shares her incredible gift, connecting to the Divine energy of the Universe, channeling the loving wisdom and guidance meant for all of us.
Soothing and meditative, the messages are both practical and profound. They can help you get unstuck, clear away confusion, and quiet your busy mind so you can step into the life and the person you know deep down you’re meant to be.
Join us as we seek guidance for life’s daily challenges and answers to its biggest questions. Bring an open heart and open mind, and hear the loving wisdom that’s waiting for you.
What's the Universe Say About That?
Why Is Trusting What You Can’t See So Hard?
We’ve all hoped for something to work out, only to have it unfold in a completely different way than we imagined—or not happen at all. In those moments, it’s easy to lose trust and question what’s really at play.
In this episode, Mary and Michael ask the Universe to shed light on what trust truly means. The message that comes through reframes the very nature of trust itself, revealing how it can transform disappointment into peace, and uncertainty into something far more powerful.
If you’ve ever struggled with letting go or wondered how to trust what you can’t yet see, this conversation will speak straight to your heart.
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Michael Lannon
(0:00) Have you ever hoped for something to work out and it just didn't? Maybe in the way or in the timing that you expected? And this experience really undermined your ability to trust or feel a sense of trust in other things?
Mary Obana
(0:15) So what does trust mean anyway? And why is it so important?
Michael Lannon
(0:20) That's what we wanted to know, so we asked the universe.
Mary Obana
(0:23) Welcome to this episode of What's the Universe for answers.
You see, I'm blessed with this beautiful gift where I get quiet and I can connect with the loving guidance of the universe.
Michael Lannon
(0:43) So today you'll see and hear Mary connect directly to that divine guidance and hear the words of wisdom flow directly through her in response to questions about life and the challenges we all face at certain times.
Mary Obana
So welcome to our home
Michael Lannon
and welcome to this now normal but always amazing part of our daily lives. So sit back, get ready, and let's hear what the universe has to say about that.
Mary Obana
Let's do it.
(1:11) Hello.
Michael Lannon
(1:12) Hey everybody, welcome back.
So today we're going to tackle a big issue and I think it's actually a theme that may be the number one theme that we hear repeatedly in these messages either directly or subtly.
And it happens to do with this concept of trust. So I think a lot of times you say, please God, give me a sign or give me the answer or whatever it is. And you think if you knew the answer, all your problems would be gone.
Trust part is even harder than asking and getting the answer. So what I'd like to know today is what are we to know about trust, trusting in these messages and how it can help us?
Like how can we be more trustful? That's what I'd like to know.
Mary Obana
(2:13) Okay.
Michael Lannon
(2:15) Trustful or trusting?
Mary Obana
(2:16) Trusting.
Michael Lannon
(2:18) Trusting. Okay. I can't even say it!
Mary Obana
(2:19) One with trust.
Michael Lannon
(2:20) I can't even say it correctly. (2:23) One with trust. So that's what we'd like to know.
Mary Obana
(2:26) All right. Such a great question. Certainly only one they can answer. So, okay, here we go.
The Universe
(2:47) Trust. This is a big one. Trust is one of those concepts that is not always fully understood. What does trust mean? Why is it so important? And how do you live with it?
We often talk about trust.
Trust that you are not alone. Trust that you are loved. And we share messages with you that we hope bring you clarity and peace.
What are you trusting in? So trust by its very nature requires trusting that which you cannot see, that which has not yet happened, that which you wish for, that which you hope for in another. Trust is that thing that fills the gap between what is now and what is to be.
There is so much you cannot see. In the human experience, of course, you see what is right in front of you. And you focus on what is right in front of you.
We hope that you focus on that which is right in front of you. But that which is in front of you, it's hard to see the bigger picture.
Let us speak for a moment about this phenomenon that many of you have experienced.
(5:03) You are in a moment. Something is happening that is unwanted, unexpected, something that is not what you had hoped for. It is a low point. And in that moment, all you feel is disappointment and frustration, fear, despair, sadness, hopelessness.
Because what's happening in front of you is not what you wanted it to be. But you see, there's always so much more that you can't see. So much that you cannot see.
Your life has many ups and downs. It is the human experience after all. But you can't always see how what is happening right now is part of something bigger.
If you all think about a time in your life where something happened or didn't happen that left you with great disappointment, and in that moment, it's hard to see the good that can come from it, the learning that can come from it, how it all fits into something that's bigger, because you're in the moment that is, after all.
But when you think about one of those moments of great disappointment, can you see how that led to something else? Can you see how that led to you helping another in a way you didn't expect? Can you see how that led to you meeting another that you would have otherwise not met? Can you see how that led to an opportunity that wouldn't have been had that other thing not happened?
So you see, there's so much you can't see.
(7:53) So much that plays out. To live in the human experience, you want to live with as much peace as you can. Trust plays a big role in that peace.
For when you are in a moment that is unwanted, particularly when you are in a moment that is unwanted, if you trust that there is something you can't see, you just can't see it yet, it allows you to accept the moment that is, and it allows you to find just a bit of peace. Trusting in that which you cannot see is grounded in the idea that you are not alone. You are never alone.
And when you think of that, accept that, trust in that, it allows you to accept that the universe has your back. There's a whole lot of love around you protecting you and guiding you and keeping you close so that it doesn't feel so lonely. It doesn't feel like you are isolated. It doesn't feel like you are hopeless because there's always something more.
So trusting allows you to feel peace in your life.Trusting that you are not alone.
Trusting that there's more that you cannot see because there always is so much more that you cannot see. Does this make sense?
Michael Lannon
(10:36) Yeah, as always, I need, I have questions and more clarification. I think a lot of, it's easy to get stuck where I'm trusting that something will happen the way I want it to happen or in the timing I want it to happen. And when it doesn't, it feels like your trust has been burned or you'd feel foolish.
The Universe
(11:10) Let us delineate. You are not trusting that something will happen in the time that you wish for it.
You are hoping that something will happen in the time that you wish for it. Trusting by its very nature is trusting in that which has not yet come, that which you do not know in a time that is not yours.
Trusting is letting go. Trusting means you are accepting that which comes because there's more than you can see and there's a grander outcome and plan than you could possibly imagine.
When you are creating a timeline that you wish to be, and trusting as you say that it happens, this is not trust.
Trusting is saying, I accept that what comes in the timing it comes is for my highest good. I am not going to expect it in a certain time. This doesn't mean that you can't do things that can inform and shape that which is to come.
It means that whatever comes, when it comes, you will trust that that is in your highest good. When you trust that something specific will happen when you say it happens and it doesn't happen and you say you lose trust, you have made an error at the onset. It is not trust that has been broken.
It is your expectation that was not met. Do you see the difference?
Michael Lannon
(13:25) Completely.
The Universe
(13:30) Trusting by its very definition is unspecific. You trust that it is in your best interest, whatever it is to be.
Michael Lannon
(13:46) Trust, my experience is trust leaves you, true trust, a sense of peace comes over you. Hope is an expectation is a completely different feeling and energy.
The Universe
(14:04) Yes. Yes. Hope comes with anxiousness.
Hope comes with wanting. Hope comes with an energy of not having that which you so desire. Trust comes with an energy of acceptance because you know what comes is for your highest good.
It's very different.
Michael Lannon
(14:40) No matter what comes.
The Universe
(14:42) No matter what comes because you see there's so much you cannot see. There is a very large, very intricate, very complex combination of matters that you cannot see.
Michael Lannon
(15:13) Is trust, I've heard these concepts of the Law of Attraction, these kind of universal laws. Is trust a universal law? And what does, how does it, I'm using all sorts of words here, but how does it manifest if you embrace trust? How does that manifest in your life?
The Universe
(15:38) It's a wonderful question. The Law of Trust is a law. It is not one that is often spoken of. The Law of Trust, the Law of Trust acknowledges the presence of more, something you cannot see, a force of love. It requires an acceptance of an energy that you cannot see.
When you trust that your life will unfold in a way that is in your highest good, even when it doesn't seem so, peace always follows.
When you trust, you open yourself up to all the possibilities. When you decide what you want, you limit yourself because you search only for that which you desire. Trust is the pathway to peace, and trust always leaves a door that is wide open.
The law of trust is an exchange of energy with that which you cannot see. It is trusting that that love, that infinite love, has your highest good in mind. And in exchange, you receive an energy of peace.
The Universe
(17:54) It is our hope that you all can find a way to live with trust. Trust is to be lived, not just thought.
Michael Lannon
(18:12) One last question. I think trust in the unknown, the unseen, is going to create a lot of anxiety in people. Is there something we can do to break out of that hope-anxiety dynamic, or quote-unquote trust-anxiety dynamic, and find, get more into the trust equals peace?
The Universe
(18:51) So you have conflated two things again.
Michael Lannon
(18:56) Oops.
The Universe
(18:59) You stated that trust will give people anxiety. There is no anxiety in trust. Anxiety lives with hope and expectation.
If you are feeling anxiety, you are not trusting.
Michael Lannon
(19:21) How do we develop that trust? It's not natural, if it's not natural.
The Universe
(19:32) There's so much you cannot see, but perhaps looking back at your life, seeing what came after what it was you thought you wanted. So many examples of this, and a relationship ends with great pain, great anguish, great conflict, and struggle. And then, at some point later, a new relationship emerges, one that is fulfilling, one that brings great joy, one that feels just right.
In the moment that the conflict of the previous relationship, that moment where everything is so painful, it's hard to see beyond it. But something then comes, whatever that might be. And the pain of that previous relationship, the anguish, the frustration, the unhappiness, is no more.
There are countless examples.
Mary miscarried, but then Kai came. In that moment of sadness and loss, you can't imagine anything else. And yet, had that not happened, your beautiful Kai would not be. You see, there are so many countless examples of this in your own life. When you look back, you can see evidence of it.
When you see that in your own life, lean into that. There's so much you cannot see, so much for you. Look at the points in your life, and then look at what followed.
There is healing and hope in that which follows. Connection with others you may not have been with otherwise. The pain of the moment sometimes is unbearable.
And some would say they'd prefer not to have the thing that followed to experience the pain and suffering and loss that came. But there are so many examples in your own life of the light after the darkness. Trust in the light.
Michael Lannon
(24:17) Thank you.
The Universe
(24:23) You're welcome.
Michael Lannon
(24:44) You know, I kept kind of scratching at that a little bit with my questions. One thing that I experienced, which I never, ever, ever would have conceived of the possibility, trust was really hard for me. It still is.
I still wrestle with it. But it was really, really hard for me, yes. And I'm kind of controlling, and I was, I hoped a lot. I set high expectations, which I thought was, and I thought I trusted, but it wasn't trust.
The one, I call it energy or feeling or emotion I got from when I actually really do trust, it's like excitement. Instead of being anxious that I don't know what's going to happen or it's not going to turn out the way I thought, it's almost like Christmas morning.
I don't know what gifts. I don't know what I'm going to get. And it's exciting.That's when I know.
Mary Obana
(25:52) You're anticipating the unfolding kind of thing.
Michael Lannon
(25:54) That's when I really know that it's trust. There's two emotions. It's peace, where I just, it's just all that anxiety just melts away. And then it actually is.
Mary Obana
(26:08) Elevating.
Michael Lannon
(26:09) Yeah, it's excitement for what is to come.
And the other thing that I, when I thought that was really helpful when they said, look back on your life. And if you really take the wisdom at its word, not everything in your life, you're going to be able to say, oh, well, if that didn't happen, then this good thing wouldn't have happened.
There are going to be things that happened and we still don't. Hasn't played out. Hasn't played out.
And maybe it affected someone else that you'll never meet. And that's where the trust gets, you have to just fundamentally say it's playing out as it needs to, as it should, and for my highest good.
Mary Obana
(26:54) Yeah. And for the greatest good of all. And there's so much with your point of there's impacts on others that you'll never know.
Michael Lannon
(27:02) Never know.
Mary Obana
(27:03) But that, yeah.
Michael Lannon
(27:04) Yeah.
Mary Obana
(27:06) Which makes you realize how connected we all are.
Michael Lannon
(27:09) Yeah. And it's interesting because we've talked about, it's not, we've heard messages where this isn't a pre-designed plan where we're just.
Mary Obana
(27:19) Predetermined.
Michael Lannon
(27:19) Yeah. We're just running the program. There's free will.
There's all these things. And I was going to say, but, and even within that sort of randomness of how things play out, even within that, it all is purposeful and serves either your or someone's greater good. That's a big, that's trust with a big capital T.
Mary Obana
(27:46) Yeah. Yeah.
Michael Lannon
(27:47) It's kind of cool.
Mary Obana
(27:49) And the other thing too, I want to extend this out, but we, you know, we hear also that we have choice, free will and choice.
And so we can choose not to see those connections, you know, and, or not to accept those connections. And then you just shut yourself down.
Or you can choose to find those connections. Or be open to those connections. And it changes everything.
So even in that exercise, it requires the choice to accept and see and trust in those connections.
Michael Lannon
(28:34) Interesting. Yeah. That's true.
Mary Obana
(28:36) Yeah. Cause you can easily go, oh, that's not true for me.
Michael Lannon
(28:39) Yeah. Or if something bad happened, you crawl into a cave and never come out. You're cutting yourself off from all the possibilities that are there.
Mary Obana
(28:50) Yeah.
Michael Lannon
(28:52) Well, good.
Mary Obana
(28:53) Good question again, Mike Lannon.
Michael Lannon
(28:56) I aim to please!
Mary Obana
(28:57) No shortage of those from you.
Michael Lannon
(28:59) Good. So, well, thank you. I hope this has been helpful. It's a good one for me.
Mary Obana
(29:05) Yeah.
Michael Lannon
(29:05) It's all about me! Haha!
Thank you guys.
Mary Obana
(29:10) All right.
Michael Lannon
(29:10) We'll see you soon. See you next time.
Mary Obana
(29:12) Take it easy. Bye-bye.